After Project Kangaroo was shut down, the technology was bought up by Arqiva and re-branded as SeeSaw. Since then they have been working on content agreements with various providers, and now have agreements with 4oD, Five and BBC Worldwide, and are working on more agreements with other providers.

Earlier this week SeeSaw officially went in to beta, inviting members of the public to sign up. Once you sign in, you can browse programs by Category, Channel or just search by name

Under the channels for example there is a list of programs;

and then when you pick a program you will see a list of episodes and can play any of them;

interestingly, all programs – even BBC ones – have adverts at the start. The programs come from BBC Worldwide, who feed the profit back in to the BBC, which is OK by me if it brings us nice new features.

The video player is of course a flash player, and it offers different bandwidth settings, although there are no specific details of what the different resolutions are – but it doesn’t look to be HD.

It’s a nice aggregation of content, some of which isn’t available anywhere else, so definitely worth checking it out.

And for those of you who are wondering about TunerFree integration, a plugin is available here.

Of course if you want to watch iPlayer on the Xbox 360, just install TunerFreeMCE on your PC and access it via Media Center. The latest version of TunerFreeMCE includes wmv streaming of BBC programs, so works great on extenders like the Xbox 360 too.

I was therefore amazed to read this post on the bbc blog today in which it claims that both Vodafone and 3 support watching BBC iPlayer mobile over 3G. I did some playing with the settings, and discovered why I haven’t got it to work in the past. I always select the Vodafone Internet GPRS access point when accessing any online functionality, because it is typically a more open network. It turns out though that the BBC iPlayer treats that as a non-Vodafone 3G connection. If you change the streaming setting in Real Player to use the Voadafone Live access point, and connect to the iPlayer widget with the Vodafone Live access point, you can watch iPlayer over 3G on your Vodafone mobile. Fantastic! Just remember to go in and set the access point for real player back to something else for watching other content (seriously Nokia – that one’s a disgrace.)

The only thing that doesn’t work is that the walled garden of Vodafone Live doesn’t allow you access to the thumbnail pictures when browsing the programs, but hey, you can’t have everything can you?

Unfortunatly the bbc live mobile site still doesn’t work on the N85. No idea why, since it has more codecs than the phones that do support it, but I think the BBC just aren’t interested in the device. N96 seems to be their preferred Nokia.

Most of the TV companies who provide flash video do so using the Akamai tech stack to secure and stream their content. They build their own custom flash players on top of that to provide their own flavour to the players, e.g. related videos and so on. The probably intentional side effect of this is that it is really not trivial to get in to their flash streams and do anything with it. It’s not like the have an rtmp url easily accessible for you to get hold of. There are ways of doing it, but not easily. There is for example a project on sourceforge called rtmpdump (http://sourceforge.net/projects/rtmpdump/) which allows you to download flash videos from the BBC and from Hulu.One of the biggest problems with the TV companies building their own flash players is that they typically don’t build them to interact with the remote control – i.e. they don’t listen for key presses, or have useful javascript hooks to send messages to the player. I have at times overcome that in the past by building custom versions of the flash players. That’s time consuming and annoying.

Another annoyance with flash is that it is not supported in MCML – the vista and windows 7 presentation layer for writing media center applications. That means that any application like this has to exit MCML and enter html to play flash content. That’s not that hard to build, but it does have the additional pain that you can’t use the MCMLPad debugger with the code any more, because it’s not compatible with the Add-In required to go to html. Doesn’t effect the end user, but is a pain for the developer.

A further annoyance is Flash’s full screen behaviour. For some security reason, they don’t allow any mouse or keyboard input to be received by the flash player when in full screen, except the escape key. Probably to avoid someone creating a fake version of your PC and tricking you in to doing things, but its much more of a pain than a benefit in my opinion. That means that to pick up remote event, you need to exit full screen. You could just have a large flash window to work round that, but flash add some hardware acceleration in full screen mode that you miss out on with just a large flash player.

The really big problem with flash though is extenders. The way that extenders work is that they have one dedicated channel for music and video, and everything else is sent via a remote desktop connection. Microsoft have a great article on it here;

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb852206.aspx

To summarize it though, you will get WMV, MPEG-1, MPEG-2, WMA, MP3 and WAV-PCM to play fine on an extender, and everything else is routed over the remote desktop protocol, which has quite a few limitations. Most notable of those limitations is that the frame rate is poor, and in some cases no sound (I have never worked out why no sound – if anyone knows the explanation, I would love to know). Microsoft’s advice is not to use flash on extenders. It’s a shame they didn’t make a flash engine part of the technology requirements on the extender, but it’s too late for that now.

As part of the windows 7 beta testing, I grilled Microsoft on support for flash in the MCML layer and on extenders. Unfortunately the answer is that they don’t see it as a priority at this time. I think that is very short sighted given the direction that online video is going. Over the past year, I have noticed more TV providers move away from WMV to flash, because it is cross-platform compatible. That gets the Mac and Linux lobbyists off their backs. I also suspect that the DRM on WMV being cracked didn’t endear that format to them either.

So, since the future of online video for the moment lies with flash, and Microsoft aren’t interested in providing better support for that in media center and extenders, the only real way of getting great support for online video in media center is for someone to write a transcoder for converting the flash stream to WMV or MPEG-1/2. Since the flash streams typically contain H.264 video for high def, simply unpacking it from the rtmp stream isn’t enough for it to play on extenders or pre-windows 7 media centers, since they don’t support that video format. That conversion is not a trivial thing to do on the fly (as opposed to downloading the whole thing first then converting it).

I am hoping that this mini-essay on the topic is going to prompt someone out there to start an open source project to convert flash streams to a media center compatible format. There are lots of add-ins that would benefit from it, like my TunerFreeMCE code, Yougle and I’d imagine SecondRun.tv when it gets release, so go on someone, make a name for yourself by taking up this challenge.

Of course, if you are using TunerFree MCE, you probably don’t care that much – you already have a single interface for all of the UK content, so this wouldn’t have added anything new. From my perspective though, it’s hard to say if it is a good or a bad thing. If they had produced a single way of handling on-demand TV, it would have made my life much easier when producing a media center interface for it. On the other hand, if they had used their combined might to increase the protection in the system, they could have shut me out completley. Perhaps it’s best for all media center users that this didn’t happen after all.
photo credit: Tasumi1968